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High packet loss from verzion fios/alter.net in socal

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I'm seeing 5-20% packet loss and high latency between Verizon fios/alternet and AT&T. Averages 10% at night, 15-20% during the day. This started on 9/19 and has only gotten worse. Verizon says it's at&t, at&t says it's Verizon. Anyone else seeing high packet loss from Verizon/alternet through 192.205.35.161? Have the same results from 6 different fios locations in Ventura County.

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